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Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 14:43:00 -
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Eve is a sandbox game, but there have to be lines drawn in the sand. Otherwise, it would just be a sea of ambiguity. The EULA is MORE THAN CLEAR on the subject. At first I was pretty perturbed at CCP's alleged actions. At this point, however, it's quite obvious that they only did what had to be done. Instead of being disgusted with CCP as I was formerly, that disgust has now transposed to E-UNI for such a monstrous effort to create stigma in a game we should all hope only grows. |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:20:00 -
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You all seem to just be inclined to argue. John pushed the envelope. He put himself in an unwise position and took a hit for it. It happens. It sets precedent. The EULA can't cover every single botting scenario. |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:31:00 -
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Thur Barbek wrote:Dan Leviathan wrote:You all seem to just be inclined to argue. John pushed the envelope. He put himself in an unwise position and took a hit for it. It happens. It sets precedent. The EULA can't cover every single botting scenario. [EDIT] At least i wouldn't want to be the one to write it... EULA's are intentionally 1/2 vague so that CCP can interpret it how they please. They can also just change it randomly and force us to re-accept to log into eve ever again. This is standard procedure for 99.99% of EULA's. edit: yay lets all get drunk and fight more!
Only 1/2 vague?
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Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:56:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:I'm going to go drink a bunch of beer now you can all go back to fighting. ok I'm selling spiky bats three pringles and a shrub each
Will rupies and speghettios suffice? |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:09:00 -
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I feel like I just read 16 pages of the same ****. Why keep regurgitating the same crap? CCP banned him (fairly or not) and the isk is gone. If you want API support for market why not make a new post? |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:13:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:
So, what I'm getting from this is :
Sreegs considers cache scraping "illegal" but it really isn't, according to the EULA because nothing is modified.
So, carry on because he would have to ban everyone who uses EVEMon, everyone who uses EVE-Central, etc.
Which is pretty absurd.
Tells me all I really need to know about CCP Security.
Actually never said "John" was modifying said he was accelerating. The EULA is vague purposefully. If you think he was banned "just for the hell of it" then you must be insane. |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 18:50:00 -
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I'm fairly certain that there are nuances allowing the entire server to be taken down right now never to be put up again w/o legal repercussion. CCP has a right to be bold. So why not try treating them w/ some respect? We as a player-base are responsible for chauffeuring Eve into the next era, and we can only do that through good-willed collaboration. Threads like this will scare off prospective players. It makes it look like the game is failing, on its last leg or something. And it doesn't have to be. So many "veteran" players w/ there bots are screwing everything up for those of us who are just entering the game. I'm going to stick around, because I have faith in Eve and CCP. But I consider myself a stoic. Please, can we just agree this guy was botting and move on? Quit trying to stifle Eve's potential out of boredom. Sreegs, ilu! |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:07:00 -
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Finde learth wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:There are a number of things wrong with the assertions being made in other forums, which is a topic I'm sure the author of these posts is familiar with because we discussed them prior to his rather selective reporting of the incident. Here's the facts as we need be concerned from an eve perspective:
1) John was botting. That is not even close to in dispute.
2) We committed an error in not removing the isk before it got to EVE-U. However we did rectify this problem and our logs show that it was discussed and approved prior to either them receiving the isk or petitioning. We apologized to EVE-U however the petition was escalated as high as it could be and the decision remained. We cannot typically share this information with them as it's really none of their business.
Can you explain why remove all ISK because of a 14 days ban?
Can you explain how you are possibly this ignorant? |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:10:00 -
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To all botters: Want to stretch your programming skills? Get on project euler. Heck, you can even solve the problems while playing Eve! I really don't understand botting. The only practical motif would be the gaining of $ in rl. Otherwise, you're just cheating yourself. Are you the same one's who used "gamesharks" to get all the pokemons or smth? Play within the games mechanics, it's not that difficult. |
Dan Leviathan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:40:00 -
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Abus Finkel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Abus Finkel wrote:
Which I believe CCP Sreegs has addressed in this thread, and I think if that had just been communicated to Kelduum in private he wouldn't have taken this public at all.
I like this game and I like most things CCP has done with it recently, but I think most people will agree with me that communication is not their strongest side.
He was told. He didn't like the answer and so started many threads. How do you know that? Have you read CCP's responses to his petitions? All we know is that CCP Sreegs says he was told and Kelduum says he wasn't.
Even if he lied (which he didn't) it's irrelevant. Quit whining like a spoiled child. |
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